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Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: jack208 on November 06, 2007, 04:58:04 pm
Since this is likely to be the next competition for Essen 2008 (given the undetermined status of Catan 2008), this is the thread to discuss all things related to Carcassonne championship.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 07, 2007, 09:22:01 am
[quote user="jack208"]Since this is likely to be the next competition for Essen 2008 (given the undetermined status of Catan 2008), this is the thread to discuss all things related to Carcassonne championship.[/quote]

Can we start earlier, like sometime in January so that we can end in June and spend the next 4 month scrounging around for sponsorship?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 09, 2007, 02:16:35 am
i have tried the hans im gluck and rio grande web site for the rules, so far even google turned out nothing. anyone can find the tournament rules?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: macedwin on November 09, 2007, 03:28:53 am
i already posted somewhere else on bgc that i have the official rules and also highlighted the main changes... go find...
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 09, 2007, 08:03:40 am

[quote user="macedwin"]i already posted somewhere else on bgc that i have the official rules and also highlighted the main changes... go find...[/quote]



ah, those? i was looking for downloadable official ones in legalise-speak.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 10, 2007, 02:09:56 pm
[quote user="ayheng"]

[quote user="macedwin"]i already posted somewhere else on bgc that i have the official rules and also highlighted the main changes... go find...[/quote]



ah, those? i was looking for downloadable official ones in legalise-speak.

[/quote]

Tut-Tut, the correct word should be legalese.
Go read a dictionary heng, if you get the words wrong, I believe even a novice lawyer will take you to the grinders with the referees.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 11, 2007, 11:01:32 pm
Must...find ...the ...rules...no URL ah?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 12, 2007, 01:37:20 pm
[quote user="Champion Eternal"]Must...find ...the ...rules...no URL ah?
[/quote]

Got, it is on G.A.E.L.
Goes Ask Edwin Lah!
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 12, 2007, 06:46:56 pm
Where?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 13, 2007, 10:48:30 am
[quote user="Champion Eternal"]Where?[/quote]

Huh? still cannot see ah?
Okay, I will post it one more time.
It is on G.A.E.L.
Goes Ask Edwin Lah!
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 14, 2007, 12:48:17 am
[quote user="rhyen"][quote user="Champion Eternal"]Where?[/quote]

Huh? still cannot see ah?
Okay, I will post it one more time.
It is on G.A.E.L.
Goes Ask Edwin Lah!
[/quote]

Make G.A.E.L. linkable, then can see.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 14, 2007, 12:51:34 am
Ayheng: r u coming to Mage this Sat? If u are, can u bring your big box Carcassone? I wnat to see what it contains, esp the tile dispenser.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 14, 2007, 07:08:22 am

[quote user="Champion Eternal"]Ayheng: r u coming to Mage this Sat? If u are, can u bring your big box Carcassone? I wnat to see what it contains, esp the tile dispenser.
[/quote]



yep, sure, should be able to make it. will be staying late too. we doing titan?

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 14, 2007, 12:06:07 pm
[quote user="ayheng"]

[quote user="Champion Eternal"]Ayheng: r u coming to Mage this Sat? If u are, can u bring your big box Carcassone? I wnat to see what it contains, esp the tile dispenser.
[/quote]



yep, sure, should be able to make it. will be staying late too. we doing titan?

[/quote]

Does the tile dispenser thingy even work, Hengy?
We should test drive it the next time we play.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 14, 2007, 12:19:35 pm

[quote user="rhyen"]
Does the tile dispenser thingy even work, Hengy?
We should test drive it the next time we play.
[/quote]



yes it works, but so far i prefer not to use it. other people i've played with seem to like it for the cool factor - gotta try it once sort of thing. if you're game, i'll bring it to the table this sat at mage.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: rhyen on November 14, 2007, 12:31:18 pm
[quote user="ayheng"]

[quote user="rhyen"]
Does the tile dispenser thingy even work, Hengy?
We should test drive it the next time we play.
[/quote]



yes it works, but so far i prefer not to use it. other people i've played with seem to like it for the cool factor - gotta try it once sort of thing. if you're game, i'll bring it to the table this sat at mage.

[/quote]

I thought you were working this Saturday hence skipping Friday?
If you are coming, what time will you be there?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 14, 2007, 12:46:47 pm

[quote user="rhyen"]
I thought you were working this Saturday hence skipping Friday?
If you are coming, what time will you be there?
[/quote]



i work half day saturday. since my gf won't be around, i can make it saturday from about 2-3pm onwards till late.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 14, 2007, 01:10:36 pm
Great! I have been curious abt the Carc big box since I first saw it.
As for Titan, I will announce in the Titan thread.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: c mun on November 27, 2007, 09:49:39 pm

[quote user="Champion Eternal"]Ayheng: r u coming to Mage this Sat? If u are, can u bring your big box Carcassone? I wnat to see what it contains, esp the tile dispenser.
[/quote]



Besides Carcassone,the Big Box has expansions of Princess/Dragons,Knights/Castles,Builders/Traders,Gatherers/Hunters, Rivers,Towns.Good deal for the price if one has not own Carcassone yet.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: LoStBoYz on November 28, 2007, 01:57:05 am
I have vanilla carcassonne, not too sure if the expansion will add more to the game other than making it more complex and the game longer. If anyone has played the above expansion, please comment.

I have carcassonne the city too, but I still like vanilla best. City is a gamers game, complex and many ways to win the game. gametime is longer too.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 28, 2007, 03:11:32 am
Carc and some of the expansions are available on BSW. You might want to try it out there and see. I have tried the expansions there once only, so cannot comment. The English rules for the expansions are available online at BSW too.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: aanemesis on November 28, 2007, 03:41:23 am

[quote user="LoStBoYz"]I have vanilla carcassonne, not too sure if the expansion will add more to the game other than making it more complex and the game longer. If anyone has played the above expansion, please comment.

I have carcassonne the city too, but I still like vanilla best. City is a gamers game, complex and many ways to win the game. gametime is longer too.
[/quote]



I've tried the expansions on BSW. And yes, they do make Carc more complex and the game longer. But I think that's the point. Most expansions add tiles to the basic set e.g. erweiterung @ river [I think] tiles. There is only one way to place them - all connected into one big winding river at the start, before you can start going in all directions with normal tiles. The rest have more funky tiles, and other wooden bits with interesting effects, like the big meeple, the pig, and the trader.



Not sure about the city expansion. Is this the one with the princess and trade goods? Although my BSW client is in english, the Carc expansion options are in german, and you can actually pick and choose which option you want, and I'm not sure if they correlate exactly to the boardgame expansions. Both are also interesting, changing the way you play the game if it benefits you. For example, in vanilla game, you don't want to complete a castle if someone else has the dominant number of meeples coz they'll get the points. But with trade goods, the person who completes the castle get the goods, while points are calculated normally. Oh btw, I hate don't like Carcassonne.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: LoStBoYz on November 28, 2007, 05:29:15 am
Its not you don't like, you don't get it. [:)]
The AHA factor haven't hit you yet.
Play 1 on 1 and you'll realise the strategy and winning moves.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: c mun on November 29, 2007, 02:01:25 am
[quote user="aanemesis"]

[quote user="LoStBoYz"]I have vanilla carcassonne, not too sure if the expansion will add more to the game other than making it more complex and the game longer. If anyone has played the above expansion, please comment.

I have carcassonne the city too, but I still like vanilla best. City is a gamers game, complex and many ways to win the game. gametime is longer too.
[/quote]



I've tried the expansions on BSW. And yes, they do make Carc more complex and the game longer. But I think that's the point. Most expansions add tiles to the basic set e.g. erweiterung @ river [I think] tiles. There is only one way to place them - all connected into one big winding river at the start, before you can start going in all directions with normal tiles. The rest have more funky tiles, and other wooden bits with interesting effects, like the big meeple, the pig, and the trader.



Not sure about the city expansion. Is this the one with the princess and trade goods? Although my BSW client is in english, the Carc expansion options are in german, and you can actually pick and choose which option you want, and I'm not sure if they correlate exactly to the boardgame expansions. Both are also interesting, changing the way you play the game if it benefits you. For example, in vanilla game, you don't want to complete a castle if someone else has the dominant number of meeples coz they'll get the points. But with trade goods, the person who completes the castle get the goods, while points are calculated normally. Oh btw, I hate don't like Carcassonne.



[/quote]



I've fallen head over heels with Carcassone(with the silly River) after playing it last week.And Jeff just informed me the Big Box is OOS now.Grrrrrrrr!Why dont you like Carc?!

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: c mun on November 29, 2007, 02:03:47 am
[quote user="c mun"][quote user="aanemesis"]

[quote user="LoStBoYz"]I have vanilla carcassonne, not too sure if the expansion will add more to the game other than making it more complex and the game longer. If anyone has played the above expansion, please comment.

I have carcassonne the city too, but I still like vanilla best. City is a gamers game, complex and many ways to win the game. gametime is longer too.
[/quote]



I've tried the expansions on BSW. And yes, they do make Carc more complex and the game longer. But I think that's the point. Most expansions add tiles to the basic set e.g. erweiterung @ river [I think] tiles. There is only one way to place them - all connected into one big winding river at the start, before you can start going in all directions with normal tiles. The rest have more funky tiles, and other wooden bits with interesting effects, like the big meeple, the pig, and the trader.



Not sure about the city expansion. Is this the one with the princess and trade goods? Although my BSW client is in english, the Carc expansion options are in german, and you can actually pick and choose which option you want, and I'm not sure if they correlate exactly to the boardgame expansions. Both are also interesting, changing the way you play the game if it benefits you. For example, in vanilla game, you don't want to complete a castle if someone else has the dominant number of meeples coz they'll get the points. But with trade goods, the person who completes the castle get the goods, while points are calculated normally. Oh btw, I hate don't like Carcassonne.



[/quote]



I've fallen head over heels with Carcassone(with the silly River) after playing it last week.And Jeff just informed me the Big Box is OOS now.Grrrrrrrr!Why dont you like Carc?!



[/quote]



Gentlemen,it's 'the game' for ASH (& FHM).Start loving it and LIVE it...hehehe..[:P]

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: LoStBoYz on November 29, 2007, 03:07:45 am
[quote user="aanemesis"]Not sure about the city expansion.[/quote]

Carcasonne the City is not an expansion. Its a standalone game that uses carcarsonne's game mechanic.
This is the game that comes in a wooden box.

This time round, you lay tiles INSIDE the carcarsonne city itself. So the city zones consist of walls, residences and markets. You still place meeples like you do in vanilla carc, eg. on the road, on the markets (castle) and on the residences (farm). They added walls & towers, which come into play midway in the game and on the wall you can place more meeples which acts as sentry guards. This creates additional ways to win the game and also more ways to screw your neighbour. The walls basically cordones off any expansions. The end result is VERY pretty. You get a somewhat 3d effect of the city surrounded by walls (the walls and towers are wooden blocks). Nice.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: jack208 on November 29, 2007, 06:35:47 am

Not many have Carcassonne The City.... but I like playing the City more than the basic Carcassonne. City is much more cut-throat and more gamers-type.



Beside Carc The City, the other Carcassonne I've is The Hunters & Gatherers which is a variant based on the cavemen era! This is a very nice ver of Carcassonne to play with young children.



Here's the list of ALL Carcassonne games plus their expansions!



If you do not yet have even the basic Carcassonne, then getting the Carc Big Box (item not updated to our webstore yet but you can PM me) is the best way to start your Carcassonne collections.



You may see a long list of exps from the list above (or click here) but the only three exps that are really worth getting are the River, Traders & Builders and Inns & Cathedrals. Princess & Dragons is not bad but the others are really quite optional.



So the Big Box gave you basically all that you need to keep Carcassoning.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: aanemesis on November 30, 2007, 04:09:16 am

c mun, I had a very bad experience with my first game of Carc, receiving a royal screwing from the 2 jokers who were supposed to teach me the game. That left a very bad taste for a long time. However, as I started playing eurogames, I gave it a second chance. By then, I developed a preference for games with less luck and rely more on skill & player interaction. Carc's normal game of single tile draws is a bit more random than I like.



However, I know it is a fav with the ladies. BGG seems to have Carc on lists of "games to play with wives/gf/chicks" etc on a regular basis. So if got ladies want to play, I can join wan... no problem. But I myself wouldn't suggest playing it with the gaming kakis la.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on November 30, 2007, 07:16:50 am
Aanemesis, I sympathise with you. That's the main reason why I don't like PR. I think we are talking about the same jokers since the venue is the same.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: ayheng on November 30, 2007, 07:57:55 am

I've a bad first time carcassonne experience as well (are we talking about the same jokers here?).



Fortunately the 2nd game put me right. I have since come to the conclusion that newbies should only play with other newbies. Otherwise the experince will be 'coloured' (like that watsitcall DIE!!! handler game...)



And aanemesis, I thought you like Neuroshima Hex? with that random tile draw and such....?...hehehe [evillook]

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: LoStBoYz on November 30, 2007, 08:22:22 am
Aanemesis is so traumatized by it that he wrote a review on carc on BBG and promptly flamed big time by others.

Carc is not that bad in terms of randomness.
There are only 3 specific things you can do when you randomly draw a tile :
1. Help you score if the tile is good
2. Help you screw other by blocking his expansion if the tile draw is not to your advantage
3. If you cannot screw, put it someplace that is safe from both parties.

Here are few tips for newbies, feel free to add more :
- Farm scores big time in the end game, do sacrifice a few meeples early for farming. Note the word sacrifice.
- Always have some meeples in your hand. Who knows when opportunities comes a knocking
- Remember, you can share points with your opponents. By sharing, you negate his advantage. Find ways by clever placement of tiles to share his spoils.
- If opponent has a farmer, find ways to share. If cannot, then find ways to limits his ability to link-up completed castles.
- There are only a few type of tile designs, especially the castle. Do remember them, that way you'll know if the castle you're building has a chance of completing or not.
- Roads, Castles & Cloisters STILL score points in the end. Never stop expanding you existing areas. This way, you don't have to place more meeples than neccessary by creating new areas.

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: c mun on November 30, 2007, 09:15:05 am
[quote user="aanemesis"]

c mun, I had a very bad experience with my first game of Carc, receiving a royal screwing from the 2 jokers who were supposed to teach me the game. That left a very bad taste for a long time. However, as I started playing eurogames, I gave it a second chance. By then, I developed a preference for games with less luck and rely more on skill & player interaction. Carc's normal game of single tile draws is a bit more random than I like.



However, I know it is a fav with the ladies. BGG seems to have Carc on lists of "games to play with wives/gf/chicks" etc on a regular basis. So if got ladies want to play, I can join wan... no problem. But I myself wouldn't suggest playing it with the gaming kakis la.



[/quote]



How sad..coloured experience.Well,if it's my group I'll make sure it shall be not! 'Bad experience ' should not be part of gaming,always learning.Come and play then at the upcoming Ladies Gaming Night that I'm organising on the 14th Dec 2007,Fri.It is 'The Paradigm Shift' of the century.Yes,you can pick your favourite scent to spice up the board(hehehe).

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on December 02, 2007, 05:46:40 pm
Edwin
Is the Carcassone Competition open for everyone or will it be restricted to schools only?
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: macedwin on December 03, 2007, 03:24:58 am
sorry, 2008 carcassonne contestant will be a junior (ie. student), so it will be a schools only tournament...
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: aanemesis on December 03, 2007, 04:03:38 am

[quote user="c mun"]Come and play then at the upcoming Ladies Gaming Night that I'm organising on the 14th Dec 2007,Fri.It is 'The Paradigm Shift' of the century.Yes,you can pick your favourite scent to spice up the board(hehehe).[/quote]



That sounds intriguing! Where will this be?

Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: shrapnel on December 03, 2007, 06:38:42 am
[quote user="aanemesis"]

[quote user="c mun"]Come and play then at the upcoming Ladies Gaming Night that I'm organising on the 14th Dec 2007,Fri.It is 'The Paradigm Shift' of the century.Yes,you can pick your favourite scent to spice up the board(hehehe).[/quote]



That sounds intriguing! Where will this be?

[/quote]

I'm gonna laugh out loud should you get royal 'screwing' from 2 ladies instead.

hahahahaha

hey! wait a min...  [evillook]
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: nicklwc on December 03, 2007, 08:48:11 am
Depending on the ladies, but last I checked, royal "screwing" by two ladies is not entirely disadvantegous to aanemesis :P
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: Champion Eternal on December 03, 2007, 01:08:01 pm
[quote user="macedwin"]sorry, 2008 carcassonne contestant will be a junior (ie. student), so it will be a schools only tournament...[/quote]

I thought so...there are some on BGC who were not aware of this when we spoke last Sat.
Title: 2008 Carcassonne Championship (Msia)
Post by: c mun on December 07, 2007, 12:50:13 pm

[quote user="Champion Eternal"][quote user="macedwin"]sorry, 2008 carcassonne contestant will be a junior (ie. student), so it will be a schools only tournament...[/quote]

I thought so...there are some on BGC who were not aware of this when we spoke last Sat.
[/quote]



Fully conscious and well aware to it now. Thank you CE. Sent you PM.